Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Pig Flu Quack-ccine

So apparently, there have been more Morons rushing to get inoculated from a contrived epidemic than Big Pharma/Government could *vaccinate* against. There are no swine flu shots anywhere to be had at the moment AND, if I have to hear one more idiotic neighbor of mine complain.....argh!

Nothing on Ebay either, I checked. I knew I should have been stockpiling...

From NaturalNews.com,

Let's not beat around the bush on this issue: The swine flu vaccines now being prepared for mass injection into infants, children, teens and adults have never been tested and won't be tested before the injections begin. In Europe, where flu vaccines are typically tested on hundreds (or thousands) of people before being unleashed on the masses, the European Medicines Agency is allowing companies to skip the testing process entirely.

And yet, amazingly, people are lining up to take the vaccine, absent any safety testing whatsoever. When the National Institutes of Health in the U.S. announced a swine flu vaccine trial beginning in early August, it was inundated with phone calls and emails from people desperate to play the role of human guinea pigs. The power of fear to herd sheeple into vaccine injections is simply amazing...

I probably don't need to remind you that in 1976, a failed swine flu vaccine caused irreparable damage to the nervous systems of hundreds of people, paralyzing many. Medical doctors gave the problem a name, of course, to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about: Guillain-Barre syndrome. (Notably, they never called it "Toxic Vaccine Syndrome" because that would be too informative.)

But the fact remains that doctors never knew how the vaccines caused these severe problems, and if the same event played out today, all the doctors and vaccine pushers would undoubtedly deny any link between the vaccines and paralysis altogether. (That's what's happening today with the debate over vaccines and autism: Complete denial.)

Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine
(At least, not by anyone in authority...)

#1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall...

#2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.

#3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine.

#4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...)

#5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. government has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that blanket immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability).

#6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize.

#7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated...

#8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money comes out of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers.

#9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.

#10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...)

The lottery, they say, is a tax on people who can't do math. Similarly, flu vaccines are a tax on people who don't understand health.

I DID NOT know that a *swine flu vaccine* paralyzed some people in the 1970s. Pretty scary.

One thing is for sure, if today's swine flu vaccine turns out, down the road, to be lethal to all the docile Morons who ran out to get vaccinated...

In that case, at least the global IQ will profit!

I do feel bad for all of these people, like nurses, that are being forced to get the quack-ccine - some of whom have been fired upon refusal.

Sometimes it's mindblowing to think about how many functioning stupid people there are out there.

See also - Nonstop Alarmism.

UPDATE - More here:

Step 7) Defend mercury as safe. It's not that bad, really. What's a little mercury in your shot anyway? Ignore these inconvenient facts: A typical flu vaccine shot solution is 50,000 parts per billion of mercury. The EPA classifies any substance with more than 200 parts per billion as hazardous waste. (The EPA limit in drinking water is 2 parts per billion.) Thus, the mercury density in a vaccine is 25,000% higher than the level required to be considered hazardous waste. This is injected directly into the bloodstream of infants, children, expectant mothers and senior citizens. What could possibly be dangerous about that?

Step 8) Find a bunch of other flu vaccine zealots and quote each other. This is the best part about being a vaccine zealot: It's social! Instead of quoting any actual science to back up your non-position (because there isn't any), all you have to do is quote each other! "The CDC says..." and at the CDC, they say, "The FDA says..." and at the FDA, they say, "The drug maker says..." and at the drug maker, they say, "The researchers said..." and the researchers were quoting the CDC! (I think I remember playing this game in kindergarten... but then I grew up.)


CaptiousNut said...

I've never heard or read Glenn Beck, remember?

So mentally, you'll need to broad-brush me with another bogey/straw-man!

Did you actually just CALL ME an *alarmist*???


Up must be down. Black is white. Hot is cold....

10/21/2009 10:45 AM

Mark said...

So here's the vaccine deal... it was made THE SAME WAY as the regular seasonal flu. That is they take the inactivated (killed; you can't get the flu from the shot) virus and multiply the virus in chicken eggs over several months. The killed virus when injected in a person stimulates production of antibodies that recognize surface proteins of the virus so that when someone is exposed to H1N1 they have a good chance (70-80%) of fighting it off and not developing symptoms.

The regular season vaccine is chosen in the late winter by looking at the predominant strains in pigs in SE asia (pigs are generally the reassortment vehicle for new virus... ie they can get human, bird, swine, etc viruses and when these are in the same host (the pig) they can change into different strains). So they use educated guesses which rearranged strains are likely to pass onto humans and then become the predominant strain in humans that coming winter (influenza prefers colder climate, thus your flu season).

Historically every 18 yrs or so, the flu virus reassortment produces a strain so different (the genes "SHIFT" instead of "DRIFT") from usual strains that it becomes something dramatically different than what humans have been exposed to. Our immune systems therefore haven't "seen" anything similar before and therefore are more likely to get severe disease. We have been long overdue for this since the last one was in 1976 i believe.

This year the novel h1n1 flu was found in mexico in april/may and was very contagious and virulent (dangerous with a very high mortality rate). The WHO and the US recognized this and began immediate vaccine production which is only now able to make into vaccine. As far as I know they don't test the regular influenza shot but they have a surveillence system to catch side effects, etc. THE H1N1 virus is NO DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!

There are some known side effects, local irritation and transient fevers aside. Everyone is talking about Guillan Barre, a nerve disorder that usually starts in legs and works its way up. Almost 85% - 90% of people full recover, although it can take many months. In 1976, there were 400 or so excess cases than what were to be expected among flu shot recipients. Its generally thought to be a side effect from immune system stimulation.

Ok so how bad is the flu?... in every year tens of thousands of people mainly the elderly die of it. Some 60 US children die of it. And this is regular flu.

WHen you talk about a flu pandemic, that once in 18 years thing we are now experiencing, numbers go way up. And in some flu variants, it is not the elderly (our seniors who are bedridden and one breath away from dying) that are victims, it is the young, people in prime of life in their 20s and 30s that die. Some are completely overwhelmed by the flu virus itself, some get secondary pneumonias (damange to lung lining allowing bacteria to take hold) and many have an immune system over- reaction and basically drown with inflammatory cells not allowing oxygen transfer across the lung/blood vessel interface. In 1918's flu, more people worldwide died of the flu than in World War 1... 50 million!! and this was one of the cases were most of the victims were young in their 20s and 30s.

see below

Mark said...

So how about this h1n1? Well we have 90 child deaths (more already than yearly average and we haven't entered the usual start of the flu season) and more young adults are getting sicker. Interestingly older adults are less susceptible to this virus. Pregnant women are more likely to get severe disease. Luckily, the virulence (ability of virus to cause severe illness and/or death) is much less than when the virus first emerged in Mexico but the virus is still mutating, changign a little bit all the time. It may very well become more deadly as we get into the flu season.

US Government did set up a vaccine injury fund over a decade ago because pharma companies were getting out of the vaccine business due to lawsuits of supposed side effects. HOw many autism lawsuits did they have to fight??? BTW, that topic drives me absolutely crazy. The vast majority of the studies (of the mercury preservative) show NO ASSOCIATION but try telling that to parents. In fact, the largest and best study is out of Denmark... The Danes are well known for government coverups and pharmaceutical collusions. And since we have all these new age "educated" parents refusing vaccines, we are losing herd immunity and old diseases are making comebacks with small outbreaks.... why don't you google mumps, rubella, measles, pertussis (whooping cough) and diphtheria to see what real childhood disease is like and check out the "side effects" and mortality of those diseases to see if we want to do away with vaccines.

So everyone is all worried (40% in one poll say they won't get the vaccine) about the H1N1 vaccine and seem not to realize how deadly the flu can be. It's astounding to me. The medical community is all behind vaccination (I'm not talking some homeopathic and other fringe people here). Who do you think knows best? People reading about 25 excess deaths with the 1976 vaccination due to guillan barre or the medical community who realizes that vaccine still saved thousands of lives from influenza?


Mark said...

Not that you're sensitive.. i'm just kind of surprised at this post... normally it's spot on.. just wrong on the medical stuff

Anonymous said...

Wow! I didn't know that being out in the sun (vitamin D) protected me against influenza. I also heard that if I take my multivitamin every day at 7am while facing the southwest sky, I'll never get cancer.

Anonymous said...

The Vitamin D theory actually has a study or two behind it.


Tom said...

A retrospective on the 1976 vaccine complications concluded that the incidence of Guillain-Barre Syndrome and other neurologic sequelae were not increased. The incidence was the same. The problem was the reporting- many non neurologists filed data that was erroneous. Simply, these cases were not Guillain-Barre Syndromes.
To understand the problem fully read the book by John Barry, "The Great Influenza". You will learn how fast the epidemic developed and spread.
It likely won't happen again because our political and military leaders will listen to the Public Health Doctors.
If a comparable epidemic happens now - 3 million will die.
By the way, Mr. Barry hopes to be immunized according to an interview a couple of weeks ago in the Boston Globe. Tom

Unknown said...

I think we have forgotten one element of life that we have absolutely no control over. That is "luck". Neither good or bad. Check out the new book by Steve House which gives an in depth look at alpine climbing. This is a lifestyle chosen by many individuals which all too often involves a very quick and sudden death. Not due to human error, not due to doing everything to prepare for the worse outcome, but simply "luck". I think the same can be said about winning at "21
" or "blackjack". Even if you manipulate the game, through card counting or MIT equations, at the end of the day, winning or losing boils down to "luck". So no matter if you get vaccinated or not, it is just a matter of "luck". By the way, I just play a doctor on TV, and I have never accepted any donations from pharmaceutical companies.

CaptiousNut said...


I agree. And people who dismiss luck are intellectually arrogant, Harvard types, doctors, politicians, et al.

Thanks for the book rec. Five stars on Amazon - that's the stuff that appeals to me. Though it's not yet available at my local libraries.

I've written some on *unlucky* mountain climbers.

See - Another Abusive, Self-Centered, Malpracticing Parent - and the links within it.

Mark said...

Hey Chris,
WTF you doing on here? I'm almost done with that House book. agree
I have to go back and re-read the Great Influenza which I had been recommending since I read it a couple years ago... didn't realize he talked about the 1976 vaccine and guillain-barre mis-association as it were. I was going by wikipedia.
Only bolsters what I'm saying
Roll up those sleeves!

auntulna said...

From my local paper 1976, an old lady standing in line to get the first flu vaccine, "I believe in shots, and so does my doctor!". That spirit is sadly missing today. It appears to have persisted only among the people who resemble your avatar.

CaptiousNut said...

First of all, don't forget that I am the king of Captiousness.

Secondly, just because you stayed up all night composing a well written, lengthy post that not only has perfect form (topic sentences, support, etc.) and seems coherent...

That doesn't mean that what you wrote isn't still a steaming pile of BS!

So here's the vaccine deal... it was made THE SAME WAY as the regular seasonal flu.

So what? I've never taken that one - and frankly think it too is a load of BS. And so do plenty of others. Click here

BTW, even though I've lived in the icy NE for most of my life, I've only had the flu once - twenty-five years ago when I was 10.

Now, as for the 1976 flu vaccine incident...

If you read between the lines of my post, you'll realize that I was dead against the pig flu quack-ccine well before even learning of that. So you're minus another strawman.

Ok so how bad is the flu?... in every year tens of thousands of people mainly the elderly die of it. Some 60 US children die of it. And this is regular flu.

That is a statistically insignificant number and you know it. 800 people died this week in car accidents! Why don't we mobilize the entire nation and billions more in *freshly printed fiat* to make the roads safer? Oh, I almost forgot, there's no well-lubricated lobby machine for that.

As for mercury....

The EPA, an arm of your omniscient Big Government, has declared it very toxic. Now you say they are wrong. I'll bet there was probably a previous *scientific* and *medical* expert CONSENSUS that led to that prior ban!

Who do you think knows best? People reading about 25 excess deaths with the 1976 vaccination due to guillan barre or the medical community who realizes that vaccine still saved thousands of lives from influenza?

Again, you trot out the 1976 incident as a false proxy for opposition. Most people don't know about it because it's been deliberately concealed by apparatchiks in Big Media. If they did, the quack-ccine lines would be noticeably shorter (though perhaps not in Moron Central - Massachusetts).

And since we have all these new age "educated" parents refusing vaccines, we are losing herd immunity and old diseases are making comebacks with small outbreaks.... why don't you google mumps, rubella, measles, pertussis (whooping cough) and diphtheria...

Ah...those diseases are back because of illegal Third World immigration - not because of, as you deride them, *educated* parents.

CaptiousNut said...


Your argumentation is technical, mine is PHILOSOPHICAL and EMPIRICAL.

Is it not true that what was a somewhat random attack on 9/11, that that incident was exploited by Big Military to enlarge its mandate?

Is it not true that Wall Streeters (esp. Goldman) used the upheaval in financial markets last year to wrest all sorts of goodies from nervous Congressional incumbents before the election?

Then why would it be surprising to see *pandemics* exagerrated to similarly aggrandize Big Pharma, the CDC, FDA, and those looking for backdoor entrances to (further) socialized medicine?

When Big Medicine apologists say things like, "think how many lives we saved", "doctors today know more than ever", or, as Tom said, "It likely won't happen again because our political and military leaders will listen to the Public Health Doctors."...
In the face of that I can't help but think of Big Education.

They've spent a jillion dollars, conducted a jillion *studies*, and granted a jillion *Phd's in Education*.

And yet with all of that *expertise* and all their *experience*, they are worse than ever at teaching kids to read and compute - no less think critically for themselves!

For all of today's *advanced* medical technology, are we really any healthier?

Or has not much of that been offset by TV addiction and drive-everywhere mentalities? Wouldn't this nation, as a whole, be more fit if health insurance was de-politicized? If the self-destructive had to pay their fair share? Doctors would earn more; have better working conditions; coverage would cost less and be more efficient....

Never mind, keep fighting ideas and solutions that would improve not only the lot of the lumpen masses, but your own